Daniel Schmachtenberger is a social thinker and founding member of The Consilience Venture, talks in regards to the metacrisis …
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00:00:00 Overview of Daniel's Worldview and Introduction
00:05:13 Nash Equilibrium
00:09:05 Quasiprobability Distributions, Quantum Mechanics, & Wigner
00:13:26 The Metacrisis
00:30:53 Exponential and Unsustainable Economic System
00:54:44 Synopsis so-far
00:58:43 Classifying Different Civilizational Risks
01:22:28 Natural Selection on Altruistic Religions
01:53:16 The "Risk Space" of Ai
02:32:59 Paperclip Maximizer Scenario
02:37:31 "Finitely Describing What's 'Good'" is the Alignment Problem
03:37:53 Iain McGilchrist, John Vervaeke, and the Metacrisis
03:42:27 David Bohm's Connected Consciousness ("Implicate Order")
03:44:22 Explications on Phenomenal Consciousness (Gregg Henriques)
04:01:34 Geoffrey Hinton, Yejin Choi, and OpenAI on Ai
04:11:33 Daniel's Message to the Audience
Love this curt!!!! Thank you for what you do 😊
i laughed sooooooo hard at 40:42. 🎉
Re: Taking mindfulness out of context, look up Mcmindfulness, there was an article that kind of went viral ten years ago as well as a book.
Just came across your podcast, excellent work brother! Been following Daniel's work for a while and I appreciate these in depth conversations. Keep it up!
When Daniel speaks I listen. Many many thanks Curt.
Yeah, but who's controlling/programming the AI? It's toads of disaster all the way down 😢
A lot of assumptions, pity the historical examples provided were not based on fact. Daniel needs to do at least a basic level of actual historical research before making inaccurate statements, such as re the Crusades. Simply discredits and sabotages his credibility.
Wow. Okay, this took me 5 nights to watch, but halfway through I shared it on social. For decades I've been working in a self-created hybrid model of holistic organization solutions, human wellness, intentionality and how combining these disrupts old patterns as well as builds a new sort of architecture in individual lives. I see the 'meta' issues very synonymous with micro human issues. Words Daniel uses like alignment, synergistic, values, intention, super-structure, infrastructure and of course all the beautiful things he said in his final clip – made me feel less alien and more 'on track' w/ the sort of strange and unique work I've been doing & refining. I'm piecing together the model & methods I've created in order to effectively share my theories and findings on space, balance, simplicity all of which help people 'access' new terrain. The parts of me which have been either lonely or undernourished in the philosophical and omni-structural spaces have had a good soaking from this comprehensive and intelligent video. Though many of the words used were way above my education level, I found myself nodding and hear my mouth humming, uh huh, yep, uh huh. I will let all this feed my work, art and life. Thank You, Sincerely.
This guy believes in climate change, so why should I not COMPLETELY DISCOUNT AND RIDICULE HIM?
Why?
Shane on me for not liking the video the first time I watched it.
am speaking about things too. i dont use AI , but i grew ft. computer
Doomscrolling hype!
Daniel doesn’t really understand how following Jesus works nor how this type of love is actually the most powerful force in the world. The Crusades and other counterfeit movements were not the causal factor of the growth of Christianity.
My 4 Strategies for the oncoming crises.
1: Sustainable Hedonism
Enjoy the ride
2.:Protect yourself & loved ones
Prepping, mitigating dependence
3: Create or join a resilient & sustainable community
Lead by example
4: Fight
Join the global battle combatting these crises.
Or some combination of all 4 at once.
I ran across Daniel in another podcast. I think it was called the Sensemaking Series. Very smart guy.
Can this guy please rule the world…..like now
So how reckless could it be if we KNOW aliens are sometimes referred to by another name ("demons" and "angels," though I cannot imagine any remain that would lift a proverbial noncorporeal finger to help us and here's why–
– Dr. Greer's CE-5 protocol, if rewritten without using the ontologically-confusing terms such as "telepathy" ("praying to/for") and Alien ("demons, and if you don't right in front of them pray to demons and give an inline ILS approach tutorial and galactic coordinates…" unless otherwise specified to whom you were praying, specifically-
and perhaps more cogent a query if ever there could be: which demons specifically you are giving precision and interactive, extremely helpful turn by turn directions to where God hid us since we're far too idiotic and far too ignorant, too impudent for trying to coerce Angels to still want to fight for their passion and go to war with the entire kit and kaboodle of demons that every CE-5 participant prayed and with full intent though questionable sanity, if not specifically addressed to specific alien/Angel/demon…… then they're all in the set comprising the union of –nevermind,I literally pray that there's at least one Angel gullible enough to be talked into signing up to go to war with the entirety of demonhood that these groups of people are sooooo desperate to bring in to earth that they're literally cheerfully directing any interested demons and any angels that know when we beg them for help, and they already know we've been begging them to come here, then deciding we can't take on the entire every demon that ever war and ever shall be….. and to risk their behind, fully undeservedly, to save us from what we explicitly begged and directed here.
Anyone else vote that to do anything but turn us into example to warn any other civilizations to not be a f'in human (rough translation: "f'kin ignorant @$$human") would be the most egregiouy wrong lesson to teach ANYONE/THING?
"Mate in 1" or whatever those chess ppl say; else, i say the entire AI anything debate is irrelevant and thinking only planet-scale when we are directly and with full will triggering an intergalactic war, that angels already see that we're now fully intentionally begging for demons unless otherwise specified to come here, and helping them with turn by turn directions:
Can you not see that we are fully intentionally prayinging to demons (unless otherwise specified) by practising the CE-5 protocol?
Why are people still debating so much AI problems which Literally are a non issue to non humans when there's no righteous solution right now except "let the humans who fully invited and directed Hell to find them where God was hiding the "not very street smart species."
I think all of them because aint nobody thought that begging and directing in the whole kit and kaboodle of demons (unless otherwise specified by anyone practising the CE-5 "protocol" (i don't feel right calling it anything but am antimatter protocol… a protocol that will essentially act like antimatter when they get here … 😢
Much respect for the amazing thoroughness of TOE.
You want to save the world "mr intelligence" then make your people stop being evil and greedy and wretched the Jews are the enemies of the entire human race at this point
nope tech will not but Jews will
Great episode. Just getting to this one. Lots of things to consider here. I like how hesitant he was to dive into consciousness early on lol. Way to dig it out of him, Curt!
Top Drawer Awareness.
I am curious how we can have an entity that can monitor AI as was suggested and compared to the FDA. The FDA has been compromised since the nineties at the very least possibly longer. I would be interested in hearing ideas thar can make these monitoring systems reliable and trustworthy
Amazing!
The four stages of Daniel Schmachtenberger.
1st stage: Wow this guy is pretty smart
2nd stage: I'm not sure what he said.
3rd stage: What did he say! 😠😠 (Click off video)
4th stage: (After watching whole video through) This guy is pretty smart after all.
It looks fairly certain that humans cannot govern themselves, that we will inevitably destroy ourselves. If we create an AGI that is vastly more intelligent than us it may harm us, but this is not certain. I would place my bet on the AGI.
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AI will never be conscious and there is a simple reason why.
I definitely think there is a Fundamental Reality. Question – must one be mostly conscious to realize Fundamental Reality? I believe the answer is yes. What do you believe?
What if Religion is nonsense. Then how would Schmachtenberger's analysis be altered?
The first step forward to minimizing loopholes would be to break with religions in order to allow secular humanism. Another difficulty in Daniel's thinking is that he seems to be aware that few people are in possession of their own minds. I don't want to appear discouraging,
yet I prefer to be realistic.
Brilliance has its limitations in our world. Clearly, I lack brilliance, but I enjoy thinking.
Visuals for explanations are the gold standard (over me seeing a face or a noisy real world scenario). Hopefully the supplements can be more animated to allow for our minds to latch onto those ideas. But I guess this is a domain expertise diff (withe respect to animations). All good!
Looking forward to part 2. Thanks for highlighting the suffering of other species.
Religion, just a reach for immortality by those whom already have it yet are too cowardly to know.
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This content is very powerful. A book I read with related themes sparked a personal revolution. "Game Theory and the Pursuit of Algorithmic Fairness" by Jack Frostwell
So many quality guests! i just made a playlist of a few I want to watch today. Thanks!
This man is the Ron Swanson of Science.
Daniel's awesome, but ultimately I have to turn off as the fact that someone as intellectually advanced as he is, basically says:
it's too complex for us violent, greedy monkey's to fix so we're screwed…… it's depressing
Thanks
AMAZING! Actually so happy to find this, a perfect episode to show highly left hemispheric focused people! Thanks a bunch to you Curt and Daniel! Mind blowing stuff!
Waw! The video is not only great, but Daniel is an actor performing the content presentation. Congratulations!
We need a miracle. To get a miracle we MUST believe in miracles. The specific miracle we need is a Mystery School (I learned this term here) that goes global! A mystery school that can perform “miracles” like healing by touch, levitating and waking on water, with millions of agents (not just a few prophets or masters) has that potential. This is why I’m interested in the Mandela Effect. I have experienced it and believe for the first time that our reality is malleable in ways I once thought impossible. The reason I think Mandela Effects are so elusive (ALMOST no record of the way things were) and trivial (changes to brands and movies) is because it allows those of us who are the pioneer audience to bend (it is horrifying at first) but not break. If our reality is far more malleable than we’ve been conditioned to believe, and continue to experience, miracles are possible and can and will catch fire mainstream worldwide 🤞🔥. The most important thing is that the mystery school is one that believes in love, cooperation, healing, non-violence, sustainability and abundance for ALL. A mystery school whose members are deeply connected to (instead of alienated and at odds with) nature, each other, work and self 🌞🤝🌞🤝🌞.
Karl Marx warned that the inevitable trajectory of capitalism is alienation from nature, each other, work and self. We’ve arrived🤮. Across China, India and Africa man-made deserts are being reforested on an epic scale. I believe a lifestyle that isolates (off-grid) and seeks to connect to nature, each other, work and self in the context of a reforestation project of mass acreages of man-made desert (of which we have a ton of very cheap land in the USA) is a legit way to both run from Moloch but still have a legit role in addressing the metacrisis. Thoughts?
Daniel's thinking mirrors how I've been talking about the global existential crisis since about 2016. I think that we need to re-orient how we think about technology and political systems. When we re-orient towards an understanding of long-term zero-sum scenarios we could reverse a lot of the horrible tracks that we are on today.
2:52:00 has anyone made this yet i.e. a subscription-based browser/social media/etc. that optimises for your goals rather than the lower angels of your nature/the interests of the corporation?
Curt and Daniel both… thank you for this truly enlightening and meaty discussion that more of humanity needs to become part of. In addition, after a few spots of having to look up every other word Daniel was using, I have increased my vocabulary! 😊
why isnt this reaching more people?